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Bryan Shrum (Whistler)
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Post Number: 346
Registered: 7-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 5, 2002 - 9:17 am: | 
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The coyote is another animal that is overpopulating. Can't look up where I read that at work here, but I think the article I read said they are beginning to become the nuisance they once were in the past, again. Most of my neighbors can't stand them because they like baby calves so much. They don't seem to bother anything bigger than them much. When I see one of these on my property he most always gets a bad case of lead poisoning. I have lost lot's of chickens to them and foxes. I have a bobcat that is getting so brave that he jumped up on our front deck and got himself a baby rabbit my wife was raising. She opened the door and it screeched and took off, rabbit in mouth. Scared the bejeebies out of her. Lost a duck last week to the same cat I think. Now when I'm deer hunting I'm gonna be watching for Mr. Shorttail and he's gonna get himself a case of the same type of lead poisoning as well. One note: I wouldn't go after them if they weren't bothering my animals. I just don't think that killing an animal for heck of it is a good thing, under any circumstances. I love hunting squirrels, but don't like eating them. So I don't hunt them, unless I am with someone that will eat them. Just my way of looking at it, I guess.
Bryan
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John W. McClinton (Mcclinj)
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 6-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 9, 2003 - 11:02 pm: |
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Pennsylvania has a major overpopulation and buck to doe ratio problem. The problem with deer overpopulation is that they adapt "too well" to their surrondings, there is less habitat and acreage for the deer to be spread out on and so the deer are closer together. Having more deer in a small area wrecks havoc on in the breeding season, and creates an over abundance of deer. If the buck:doe ratio gets out of hand, like it has in PA, the problem can be even harder to resolve. I believe that currently in PA, the number of deer per acre is about 8 times what it should be.
I am an environmental technology major in college, but am in no way an anti hunting person. I myself enjoy taking to the field in the fall in search of whitetails, i just feel that if the population was in check, the situation would improve for all parties involved.
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Johnny W. Smith (Maine)
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 9-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 11:23 am: |
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mc,
I can relate to your post in the fact that the situation is the same or worse here in MS. All last summer I watched 9 does running together. None had fawns, so I surmised that they hadn't been bred. The inevitable end is that Nature will correct the imbalance. Disease is Nature's way of correcting improper balances. Since deer are low in the food chain, when one dies of disease or malnutrition, their cause of demise is passed on up the food chain to other creatures such as the scavengers.....buzzards, coyotes, turkey(case in point, maggotts). So all wildlife is affected. I don't think we truly have wild animals in the heavily populated states anymore. They're more like circus animals. People are teaching them bad and un-natural habits for their particular species. And most animals are creatures of habit and take advantage of opportunity. Once again, uninformed, want to do right people are fooling with Mother Nature. So, I am saying that people are the problems and the fact that there is a lot of money to be made on hunting and fishing.......My opinion.......
Maine |
John W. McClinton (Mcclinj)
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 6-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 4:30 pm: |
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I totally agree Maine, In fact, deer are a "Keystone Species" for an area and I think the only way to truly correct the problem is to reintroduce predator species to balance the food chain. Now, while this would be ideal for balancing a food chain, its not a great idea to do so with farmers and urban areas.
Unfortunately I think you are right about the lack of truly wild animals.
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Larry Frye (Oberstopf)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 10:18 pm: |
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Maine I also agree I think that the mid west is looking at the now with the CWD but MCCLINJ has a point as well the predators have to be reintroduced the only problme is that it will cause a huge stir when someone child is attack/mauled and then the hunt will be on to whipe them out again. I think that it is unfortunate that there are some many nature lovers out there who believe that nature should run its course and allow the animals to continue to increase in size. Most of my colleagues are from the city and dont believe in killing animals until you have jerky in your hand at least. But these are the same people that cry the blues when their cars front in has been smashed in by a deer just trying to get to the other side of the road. |
Chris M Sheafer (Kccats)
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Post Number: 750
Registered: 6-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 11:20 pm: |
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The bible says to be fruitful and multiple. Thats the mandate God himself gave to man. To consider that I should have had less children so that deer can have more room is ludracous. There is still alot of land out there! And as for deer in my area, 50 years ago there were NO deer. They were planted here and have done VERY well...now there are a bunch caught in town, I see them all the time driving my paper routes at night. Thats life. Same with turkeys, there are everywhere!
Never saw any 20 years ago... Take a good look at pictures from my area OR YOURS from 100 years ago... barren land, treeless, not much wildlife. We have helped nature in most cases and are learning more everyday.
How about you population control people pick which of my kids I should have NOT had. After all, they are going to be taking up precious deer space!
By the way, I love hunting! |
Robert Gilvary (Bobpaul)
BOC PALADIN
Post Number: 429
Registered: 1-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 1, 2003 - 6:22 am: |
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Don't worry about the deer population, there is a disease that, I think is affecting the brain, that is killing them off. Just one of the ways mother nature/man kind keep balance. I read all these posts and saw that some were from last year. So Brian, If you kill that bobcat, be careful. I've heard taxadermists don't like doing them because of the hazard in handling them, but that goes with alot of what we hunt these days. If the animals we hunt aren't infected, the perasites on there bodies are. You wouldn't believe the saltwater catfish kill that occured around Kennedy Space Center after they banned the gill net fishing. |
Toni Smith (Catfishin_queen)
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 4-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 1, 2003 - 7:29 am: |
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On this topic I would like to say that in the City of Austin, Texas.. you can at any given time see deer. One of our problems here is finding plants to plant in your yard that they won't eat. We were at my brother in laws for thanksgiving and there were deer everywhere. I would say that if you live in Austin, Round Rock, Pflugerville or anywhere around it and drive daily sooner than later, you will end up hitting one of the little jewls.
I always thought that it is just because we moved in on them and drive slow at night and just pray during the day! I still don't understand why they are not hunted out yet. They are actually in your front yard here.
Anything is possible; everything is negotiable.
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Ron Smith (Catfishin_rver)
BOC PALADIN
Post Number: 686
Registered: 4-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 1, 2003 - 8:42 am: |
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JPB.. I wrote that not knowing she was signed on..OOPS. I agree about that though. All of these "Anti Hunting" groups are causing more pain and inhumane death than a hunter would. Now people are actually putting toxins out to "get rid" of these deer in many places. I know that if you walk out to the river here at dusk you can see them from then until dawn. Hogs too. Now don't misunderstand me. We EAT deer and pork and well.. you know! LOL
My point is pretty much.. Humans are hunter/gathers. We have an inner need I believe to be able to put food on our tables that we caught in one way or the other. Be it a rabbit or peas you grew in your garden. Nothing like the feeling of sitting down to a big pot of fresh blackeyes with hamhock in it and on that pea bed is a big old fried catfish. Okra would be good on that plate too!
"This Aggression Will Not Stand... Man!" ( Jeff Lebowski, The Dude.. The Big Lebowski)
~San Marcos,Texas~
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mark e tilton (Blacklights)
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 3-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 1, 2003 - 7:02 pm: |
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OHIO,
has lost more than 95% of it's original wetlands.
being a duck hunter,I know wetlands help more than just duck's.
urban development and encroachment = 95 % wetlands loss.
THE UNITED STATES
is loosing a astronomical amount of wild life land every day.
you figure the rest out,
it is not that hard,
LIGHT'S
CROSS THERE EYE"S,,,,,,
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Mark Rorrer (Catnaber)
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 8-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 11:08 pm: |
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Dang Ron, You're makin me hungry. I agree with you, we, as humans are hunter/gatherers. It does make me feel good when I sit down to a meal of venison sided with homegrown veggies. Knowing that I was able to provide food for the table to give nutrition to my family. And the deer didn't die a slow, agonizing death. Right now, at least here in north central NC, the deer have no natural enemies. The only humane way to control the population is through hunting. I read an article where there was studies on sterilizing does to slow population growth. While a good idea maybe, the cost would be so high that it was never implemented, at least not when I read the article a few years ago. |
Matthew E Simcox (Deerhunter01)
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 7-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 8:20 am: |
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I would just like to post in relations to the Coyotes, I was a Conservation Officer in Pa. I was first in Beaver County for about 5 years then I moved to McKean County, North Central Pa. where there is several Coyotes, while in that County we had several calls from farmers about there sheep being attacked by Coyotes, After investigating the incident the sheep had been eaten from the guts out, If you know anything at all about Coyotes or Wild Dogs you will soon learn that a Coyote will take the sheep down by the throat and start eating it from the rear end first. Coyotes or dogs don't start eating the animal by the guts. Only a Bear will do that. after 16 call's withing a 3 mile area, with all sheep being killed and dragged under a log or a bush and eaten from the stomach out, a Black bear was seen by another Conservation Officer on a back road 1 mile from the location of the killings, and noticed a Women standing on her porch feeding a Black Bear meat and other food, Here she had started feeding this bear almost 2 months prior to this, and it ended up being our sheep killer too, but none of the farmers would listen to us about the Bear, they stated we brought the Coyotes in to Control the deer population, and now were killing off there sheep. In Pa. a farmer get funds from the State for Damage to Farm Animals from Dog's which includes Coyotes.
Just a note on the Deer population in Pa. when I moved to McKean County we had so many deer there, over population is what it was I could see 100 to 150 deer a day while deer hunting ,and kill at least a spike for your deer, but the forest had a large browes line any where you stood in Northern Pa you could see a browes line as high as a deer could get on its back feet and eat the leaves, then they let people start killing more doe's during hunting season, Now your Lucky to see 10 Deer on the first day, and there is alot of nice trophy bucks running around, and now the people are saying the Coyotes are killing off the deer, cause every time they see Coyote skat there is deer hair in it, Well Coyote main diet is Rabbit or Snow Shoe Hair, They do eat deer too,young deer. but they eat a hole lot of road kills, I have shot several Coyotes off of Dead road kill deer, and most of the skat I have seen has rabbit or hare hair inside it.Just some of my thoughts, Coyotes are like Fishing they are very fun to hunt and hard to get the old one, I enjoy Hunting Coyotes and they are part of the system the same as the wet Lands. well at least thanks for listening to me.
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Ron Smith (Catfishin_rver)
BOC PALADIN
Post Number: 860
Registered: 4-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 9:32 am: |
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Mark (Catnabber).. Got some peas in the freezer as I sit here and gonna take them out and make Fried Catfish *store bought* fresh okra and maters, and Peas for supper tonight.. Toni gonna be a happy Catfishin Queen!
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